Cuirassiers du Roi

OK. Here's another one: The French Cuirassiers du Roi. Very popular due to their illustration in the Mollo book. Are they Maison du Roi, Gendarmes, or Carabiniers?

- KvK

They are none of the above. They are classed with Chevauleger Cavalry of the Line. They Just have a fancy Name. Smile

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FrenchBob

The higher quality elite Chevaulegers(Class 7) are the Colonel-Generals,Mestre-de-Camp,and Commissiere-Generals Regts. They are also larger at 12 Figs per Regt.

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FrenchBob

	FrenchBob wrote:
	The higher quality elite Chevaulegers(Class 7) are the Colonel-Generals,Mestre-de-Camp,and Commissiere-Generals Regts. They are also larger at 12 Figs per Regt.

According to Nosworthy's French Cavalry, the only French chevauxleger regiment with a three squadron organization (~600 men) during the SYW was Colonel-General.

Per the December 1760 reorganization, 27 regiments went from 8 companies to 12 companies, but each company only had 20 horses, for 360 horse regiments. Eleven regiments remained with 8 40-man companies (320 men). 27 were disbanded.

Thank You Profesor Herrick,

In the Rules you may have up to 3 12 fig,Class 7 Chevauleger Regts,and I am assuming that refers to the above mentioned Regts,as they were considered Elite in the French Army of the time.

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FrenchBob

	FrenchBob wrote:
	Thank You Profesor Herrick,

Hey, I just got Nosworthy's tactical study series on the French cavalry and light troops. Might as well use them.

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	In the Rules you may have up to 3 12 fig,Class 7 Chevauleger Regts,and I am assuming that refers to the above mentioned Regts,as they were considered Elite in the French Army of the time.

FitzJames might also be a candidate. They also had a three squadron organization, but only 405 men. That's still a quarter more than most of ther French cavalry regiments of the time.

Hello all,

I just wish to put my two cents in...

Cent 1- Bob, I notice a few days back, ( And I do have the rules in front of me. )
1) A French army can only have one elite Chevauleger per 1000 pts.
2) A French army can only have two elite Chevauleger, no matter how large the army.

Cent 2- Rob I agree with both you and Bob, the Colonel-Général should be the first elite
Chevauleger. But going to your favorite site ( It is just to quick and easy to use.)
"Project SYW" in December 1 1761, the Du Roy (du Roi) Chevauleger was increased to 4
squadrons. I know that one source is not the end. but a good start. So how about it
Fred, which two Chevauleger regiment are the elites?

Best Regards,

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I need more heavy Cavalry.

	Bob J wrote:
	But going to your favorite site ( It is just to quick and easy to use.) "Project SYW" in December 1 1761, the Du Roy (du Roi) Chevauleger was increased to 4 squadrons. I know that one source is not the end. but a good start. So how about it Fred, which two Chevauleger regiment are the elites?

Eh, kinda. According to Noseworthy, the 1760 reforms increased regiments to 4 squadrons of 4 40 man companies, but only issued each company 20 horses and expected the remaining 20 men to be able to fight on foot. So regimental strength didn't really go up much at all. File it under "d'oh!"

On the other hand, if you go REALLY early, the first 31 chevauxleger regiments in the French army in the War of Polish Sucession had 3 160 man squadrons, for a regimental strength of ~500. The remainder had regimental strengths of ~360.

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There were a cuople of larger french Heavy cavalry regiments and you can base your deployment based on these units. You may also choose to look at these as battlehardened but combat damaged regiments, down on strength, but with regiments working in unison (combined) they are tougher and "cageyer" (to coin a phrase) then if they worked seperately.

The French Elites are based on so many possibilities not just regimental strengths. When you are running around with the largest army in Europe at this time, there are too many possibilities, not all of which can truly be calculated in straight list. This is one such time.

Small battle hardened regiments effectictively applied in unison, large regiments, its up to you on this occassion.

There are only two, partly because I personally had not known of more than two regiments with greater sqdrn strengths and also partly to represent small combined action regiments in battles who did well, and even normal regiments which stood out. All this without actually making them the norm and imbalancing the the French cavalry arm as it traditionally stood.

The French Elites are a brush stroke definition designed to accommodate many possibilities of the Chevauleger arm in the French army at this time. Please take your pick of whichever suits your interpretation of Elites... Very Happy

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Frederick The Great

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A very Solomon like reply, Worthy of a Great King. Laughing

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FrenchBob

Having played a number of games systems my one true gripe has always been interpretations of unit quality. Some games or more to the point "simulations" as some players and authors like to tout, do not allow for any variation on interpretation on quality of units. Well at least not without 4 volumes of examples to back it up, and yet their own reasons for classifications have not held up historically either. Thus who is right and who is wrong. Well personally I came to the conclusion a long time ago that, within reason, no one is right or wrong and that a system is better if it allows the greatest choice and variation in its army lists or troop classifications.

Thus it is with Elites, with 1st and snd class French Battalions, 1st and snd Class British allied Battalions, Premier units etc You get to choose which ones you like the most and classify them accordingly.

There is always going to be differences in interpretation between the designer and the players but I like to try to accommodate as much as I feel is possible the community in their classifications. Thus do you feel that Winterfeldt or Quadt Regiment deserve premier status then that is entirely up to you etc..... Very Happy

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Frederick The Great

" Does the General want local maps or general maps?' "What a question to ask! I'm a General, I want General maps!'

In addition, you all have made a strong effort to make folks pay for their choices.
Sure, you can have your bands of supermen, but they won't have nearly as many muskets or cannon barrels to shoot as the cheaper scum!
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